Topic: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I have been thinking about this for a while, and I thought I might as well say it. I really think an attempt should be made to bring back some kind of reputation system. The last one had a few problems, but I do think it added another level of engagement to the site.

Here is what I would add to help maintain the system:

1: Restrict reputation use to accounts older then one year.
2: Require a comment to be made along with a rep vote. (Other sites have used this and it cuts down on needless downvoting.)

Thanks for considering.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I'm of the opinion that you can't adequately quantify somebody's reputation on a forum with upvotes and downvotes. While some more adult-oriented communities (such as a camera forum I frequent) are able to have a system like this without it being abused, I've never seen it result in really meaningful ratings that are indicative of those peoples' overall reputations.

1: Restrict reputation use to accounts older then one year.

Some of our members who behave most immaturely have been around the longest. In fact, most of the people who caused problems and made a joke out of the rep system the first time we tried it were long-time members.

2: Require a comment to be made along with a rep vote. (Other sites have used this and it cuts down on needless downvoting.)

I won't lie, I have a low opinion of the maturity of this community as a whole, which is proven time and time again to be accurate. So in designing new features, I think in terms of worst case scenarios: will the lowest common denominator side of the community abuse this new feature? With this suggestion, it's hard for me to see how it wouldn't result in people making frivolous posts just to get their vote in. We already have a major problem with people posting just to (needlessly and harshly) criticize somebody else's ideas, I don't want to add new features with precautions designed in such a way as to encourage that.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

Sméagol wrote:

I'm of the opinion that you can't adequately quantify somebody's reputation on a forum with upvotes and downvotes. While some more adult-oriented communities (such as a camera forum I frequent) are able to have a system like this without it being abused, I've never seen it result in really meaningful ratings that are indicative of those peoples' overall reputations.

1: Restrict reputation use to accounts older then one year.

Some of our members who behave most immaturely have been around the longest. In fact, most of the people who caused problems and made a joke out of the rep system the first time we tried it were long-time members.

2: Require a comment to be made along with a rep vote. (Other sites have used this and it cuts down on needless downvoting.)

I won't lie, I have a low opinion of the maturity of this community as a whole, which is proven time and time again to be accurate. So in designing new features, I think in terms of worst case scenarios: will the lowest common denominator side of the community abuse this new feature? With this suggestion, it's hard for me to see how it wouldn't result in people making frivolous posts just to get their vote in. We already have a major problem with people posting just to (needlessly and harshly) criticize somebody else's ideas, I don't want to add new features with precautions designed in such a way as to encourage that.

True on the first point. I should have clarifying the last suggestion. I didn't mean a comment in the thread itself, but one that would go along with the rep vote, and be placed on the profile of the one who is receiving it, not on the forum itself. It would force them to explain WHY they gave an up or down vote. I just wish there was some way of having a system that at least resembled the ones used on many other communities. But, I can see why there are problems with the idea.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I think we should just give out free rep points, let the greedy folks fight each other to the death to get the most points while the rest of us watch.
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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

Lechnology wrote:

I think we should just give out free rep points, let the greedy folks fight each other to the death to get the most points while the rest of us watch.
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It would encourage community involvement.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

RedBrick1 wrote:
Lechnology wrote:

I think we should just give out free rep points, let the greedy folks fight each other to the death to get the most points while the rest of us watch.
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It would encourage community involvement.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

Lechnology wrote:

I think we should just give out free rep points, let the greedy folks fight each other to the death to get the most points while the rest of us watch.
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Well then, I volunteer as tribute. *whistles*

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I think it has been mentioned before but a reputation/'liking' system for only the releases forum could be useful in highlighting good film reviews and reviewers, and as a result encouraging more film reviews. Such a system would have to only have upvotes though to avoid any conflicts.

I'm definitely against a reputation system for the rest of the forums though. For the reasons that the previous attempt failed as well as the simple fact that it really isn't necessary. If you browse these forums enough you don't need a score to tell you who's credible and who's a nutter...

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

Yeah - I do want to bring something to the Releases section along the lines of what Boats mentioned, and I forgot to touch on that point. It could be a while, though, as I have a few too many BiM projects going on right now, and I expect I'll need to pony up some money to pay a programmer in order to achieve all of the site additions and improvements we want.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

Sméagol wrote:

Yeah - I do want to bring something to the Releases section along the lines of what Boats mentioned, and I forgot to touch on that point. It could be a while, though, as I have a few too many BiM projects going on right now, and I expect I'll need to pony up some money to pay a programmer in order to achieve all of the site additions and improvements we want.

That sounds like a good compromise. Kickstarter to cover part of the cost perhaps?

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RedBrick1 wrote:

Kickstarter to cover part of the cost perhaps?

I've thought about this. The only problem is I've just exhausted this community for money with the documentary Kickstarter, and I'm going to do it again in the near future for addition funds for the documentary (GET EXCITED!)

I have some ideas though to raise money through the site and fund the rebuilding of the site. I'll probably put them in action this summer, once the documentary is in post-production and the community's had a break from fundraising.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a rep system. From some other communities I've been on, like BZPower, they start to cause some problems (then again, BZPower isn't the friendliest site on the internet). Even on Wikia, people start using their number of edits as a kind of rep system, thinking that the more badges you get for editing, the more 'important' a user you are and (I'm not even kidding) some started creating false edits because their standing as a high rep member meant they were 'allowed' to (flawed logic).

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I agree with Jampot. I have been on forums and Wikia, and rep is a terrible thing. Maybe it wouldn't be the same here, but a reputation number sort of goes to one's head. The users that have been here longer would have more rep than the new members, leading to the older members thinking they are more important, and the new members not feeling welcome, or not feeling like they will ever be able to reach the place of rep that the older members have.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

rioforce wrote:

Maybe it wouldn't be the same here, but a reputation number sort of goes to one's head.

When we did have a rep system, it was an absolute joke. No one took it seriously, some people conspired with their friends to boost them to the top/bottom rep and it was, as a whole, distracting and unhelpful. Although, to the community's credit, there wasn't any elitism off the back of it.

Rep in Releases only wouldn't be a bad idea (much like deviantArt's 'This review is Fair/Unfair' voting), but I never want to see the old system return. Unless it's April Fools Day.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

The master plan involves having a checkbox on replies to release threads that you check if your post is a review, enabling upvoting/downvoting on your review. If its balance is high enough, it would be featured on the film directory page. So the idea is to give some recognition to people who write good reviews, in a way that you can't really cheat your way through.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

Sméagol wrote:

The master plan involves having a checkbox on replies to release threads that you check if your post is a review, enabling upvoting/downvoting on your review. If its balance is high enough, it would be featured on the film directory page. So the idea is to give some recognition to people who write good reviews, in a way that you can't really cheat your way through.

Having to put some effort into the system seems like a pretty decent safeguard to me. That definitely sounds better.

@Hazzat I don't remember the old system, but it sounds like a dark time. Releases forum only could work, though.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

I joined right in the middle of the rep thing, and I remember being like "What is this number on all my posts and why is it negative?" I like the idea of labeling a comment as a review, although I'll always have doubts about an up/down vote system; there will always be a certain portion of the community which struggles to discern between constructive and destructive criticism.

Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

A review isn't really the place for constructive/destructive criticism IMO. We may have to write some explanation of that. Not that you can't offer any critique in a review, but generally reviews should be written with the audience of potential viewers who might watch the film in mind, as opposed to being foremost aimed at the person who made the film.

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of adding the system into the releases section. Not only would it give added functionality to the forum itself, but would "replace" in a way, the old review system. (Which in turn, would make the film directory more useful again.)

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Re: I think it is time to bring "rep" back.

On a forum I was previously a member on, the owner decided to only let people GIVE rep points, so no feelings get hurt.

uh oh!