Topic: Slow motion

OK, just a quick question. I want to put a few seconds of slow motion in an action scene. I'm using ADV+  for capture and Sony Vegas 8 for editing. If I want to slow it down to half normal speed, does that mean I have to have twice and many frames (making smaller movements for each frame) in order to keep it smooth, or is there a different way to slow it without the movements becoming too choppy? And on a completely different note, I was looking for a post on face (mouth) animation that I'm sure I read here in the forum but after lots of searching, I've come up empty. Thanks

Re: Slow motion

Well, I have After Effects CS3 and that program has a tool called: PixelMotion. You can make your animation just in normal speed, and then you can stretch it out in AE and put on pixel motion.
I will help if you think that's the solution.

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Re: Slow motion

The best way to make "slow motion" is to make in "real". Means, you have to animate it with more pictures. If your walk-cycle is normal 6 or 8 frames, you have now to use 12 or 16 frames for this cycle.

Actually there is a face-animation-tool in progress, I think it will be released in one or two weeks.
It will help you to animate a mouth in a verry easy way.
But may be you can help me too:
I need for this tool/softwaer some mouthsapes/phonemes. Just create some shapes like:
AI, O, E, U, L, WQ, MBP, FV" and "etc", save them as PNG with trancparent background and send them via mail to me.

Re: Slow motion

Hey, thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try. And I will see what I can do with the mouth shapes for you.

Re: Slow motion

Here's a guide to mouth shapes.

http://i.imgur.com/wcmcdmf.png

Re: Slow motion

Actually, Mario, Its not very good to make Slo-mo or Fast-mo by altering the Framerate or frame count. I tryed to do a Fast-mo by shooting a regular scene (I use 15 FPS) at 30 FPS. Its better to speed it up in post production.

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Re: Slow motion

But that's just altering the frame rate, Fib.

https://i.imgur.com/1JxY79v.png

Re: Slow motion

Fib, its not a good Idea to speed up/slow down your animation digital per software.
Just like Hazzat said, that what you told IS ALTERING.
For the best result one have to animate slow-motion with more movement/pictures for a step.

If you altering the video in premiere to 50% speed, premiere (as example) showss now the same clip, but it shows every frame 2 times. And after that (rendering) the quality is not the best.
So, if you normaly animate a walk-cykle with 8 frames, you know have to do it (for slow-mo) with more (12-16) steps/pictures/freames. So you have to minimize the movement between the steps.
And thats the best result!

To speed-up via premiere is an other thing. You will loose frames by doing it. premiere will show now every 2nd frame: frame 1, 3, 5, 7, 9...
It delets frame 2, 4, 6, 8...
So all your work for these frames is for nothing. Better animate it with 3-6 frames/steps in a walkcycle...

@Smeagol.
Thanks a lot, I know this Site, I learnd much with them.
I know that you have graphical knowledge, so I will be glad if YOU could manage one of those mouthshape-set.

Last edited by mario72 (February 20, 2009 (12:37pm))

Re: Slow motion

Hazzat wrote:

But that's just altering the frame rate, Fib.

Its much safe to do it in post production, anyhoo, as there is less of a chance of messing up.

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Re: Slow motion

But it looks even worse.

If you want it sped up, make larger movements. If you want it slowed down, make smaller movements. Simple.

https://i.imgur.com/1JxY79v.png

Re: Slow motion

Hazzat wrote:

But it looks even worse.

If you want it sped up, make larger movements. If you want it slowed down, make smaller movements. Simple.

exactly

Re: Slow motion

Just as I thought. I tried the slow-mo with more frames and smaller movements in a quick test.  It worked out OK. Now for some refinement. Thanks again for the replies.

Re: Slow motion

just think of the mouthshapes.. mini/wink

good luck

Re: Slow motion

If you want to slow down the movie to "slowmotion" you have to:
Etc: you want to speed down 2x. You should dublicate the frame rate. Etc: 15-30.
Then its just to slow down.
But why must I dublicate the frame rate? Well I asked so nicley soo.....ok I´ll tell Y.
It gets shoppy when you have the same frame rate Etc: 15 will be 7,5 if you don´t dublicate. mini/smile
But as Hazzat wrote. make larger movements.
You don´t have to do this becouse im a beginer. mini/wink

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Re: Slow motion

If you want slow-mo and you are using 15 FPS then I would make tiny movements to make it really slow.

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Re: Slow motion

ohhh....... silly meh. mini/lol

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Re: Slow motion

mario72 wrote:
Hazzat wrote:

But it looks even worse.

If you want it sped up, make larger movements. If you want it slowed down, make smaller movements. Simple.

exactly

thanks for the advice