Topic: Up-Votes

Sometimes, there comes a time when you like a post a lot, but you just don't know how to reply to it. You really want to show appreciation to the author of the post, but are at a loss for words. That's where my idea for up-votes come into it. Users could up-vote, or like, a post, providing positive feedback without having to reply (if they don't want to). A tally of up-votes could be kept on each post, so that people flicking through a thread can see the most reliable posts, based on up-votes, choosing what to delve further into.

One thing I do find useful, from Facebook of all places, is the lack of an dislike button. I think if an up-vote button is made, there should not be a down-vote button. This is a positive forum, and we don't want to let users feel down. If you don't like something, then give constructive feedback, or don't say anything. Move along, move along.

That took me to my next thought. What if you could give a post a brick if you are interested in what it says (positive, or negative, no one needs to know why you were interested in 'bricking' it). Then each post has a brick tally. The brick would be of the same design as the films rating system, except instead of 5 rating bricks, there would be one brick, where you can click it to turn it blue and give the post a brick, or un click it to turn it grey again, un-voting your 'up'-vote.

I've never done that before. Bricking a comment. Might catch on...

Edit

Just noticed similar things have indeed happened in the past.

Looks like they didn't work because they were rating systems, and a means to make this a popularity contest. This isn't what I see with my idea. Because you can't down-vote something, it's more a tool for users to highlight a useful comment, so that others can read the most useful comments, and skip the hundreds of posts after it, thanking the OP.

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Re: Up-Votes

Well, it's not 100% relevant to this forum, but Eurobricks had a nice discussion on the topic, so it may be profitable to read the various comments posted over there.

Basically the verdict was 'If there aren't that many comments anyway, a like button will only serve to reduce them. And most people would rather three well written comments than three hundred likes. If you enjoy something enough to like it, then you enjoy it enough to take the time to comment on it.'

A verdict that I agree with wholeheartedly. mini/wink

Now, you say that it will help to highlight the helpful posts, but 90% of the time threads don't get that long around here. And if they do, it's easy to see who everybody is talking about and find the good posts. And if you are seriously at a loss for words, then write that very thing! (Just make it clear if it's because you love the thing, or hate the thing.)

It is great to see a newer member jump in to try and help, so if nothing else this shows your kindness and concern.

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Actually, I'm not all that new...I've just been away for a really long time. Old account was KAB Productions.

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I joined in 2010, went through a long production period, and now, having been back for about a year, am finally starting on my first actual film since returning. Trust me, it feels like you're new when you've been out for a long time. mini/tongue

As much as I like the idea of rating a post, I don't want to see Bricks in Motion become Facebook, or Twitter. As it is, it's even more of a directory with attached forum than a youtube like site. And, I feel like that's best. Besides, if you try to compete with Google... you'll lose.

And, on top of that, if Smeagol DID implement a 'post' rating system, I'd probably be ranked by 'stars,' not 'ups,' to keep consistent with the film rating system we already have. And, something like that I'd actually really like to see.

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We had an upvote/downvote system for a while. It can be a good thing if the userbase is responsible with it, but the problem is that this site's primary demographic is children. They couldn't handle it, it became a bad thing for the site very quickly.

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Sméagol wrote:

We had an upvote/downvote system for a while.

When was this? I'm just curious.

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Mickey wrote:
Sméagol wrote:

We had an upvote/downvote system for a while.

When was this? I'm just curious.

It was in mid-2011. It was a big fail (since BiM had a MUCH bigger audience than it does now), because most of the upvotes were given to the popular people. These upvotes/downvotes would give you a reputation (which was right under your "joined" thingie. Sorta like Reddit.

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being 11 at the time, I had the LOWEST REPUTATION ON THE SITE.

Re: Up-Votes

Troodon wrote:

It was in mid-2011. It was a big fail (since BiM had a MUCH bigger audience than it does now)

It's only about a 30% difference.

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I was around the forums at the time, but I don't really remember it. But, I can see how these things would be turned into a popularity contest.

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I believe you were taking a break from BiM at the time, Mickey. Because I seem to remember it had just been removed or was removed right after you got back, and you posted a thread asking about it.

Yeah, it didn't work very well, plus it's not as easy to be judgmental about people. I like the site better without the reputation system.

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I went through pages of all my previous posts, and I couldn't find that thread.

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One of the huge problems with the reputation system was that unless you were extremely well known and popular, you couldn't give honest criticism of anything. People like me, whose opinion didn't carry a lot of weight, couldn't give any honest criticism of a film or idea. Every time someone posted helpful constructive criticism, the entire point this site exists, really, those comments got down voted because the younger members weren't mature enough to handle honest critique, it was disaster.

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It didn't help that even long-time members of the site did things like making it a goal to get RP Hoogle the lowest (negative) score possible.

I think upvote/downvote is helpful for Reddit where it's actually sorting, prioritizing, and selectively hiding comments, but I'm not sure how much sense it could ever make on a traditional bulletin board structure like this forum.

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well reddit is much bigger than BiM so it makes sense that their system is more accurate, with a greater sample space and all.

I actually think I was the deciding factor in the removal of it though. I don't remember the context, but I remember saying something about it in chat and then Sméagol was like "that's it, I'm removing it" and I thought he meant he was going to remove ME and I freaked out and had a little Godfather moment right then mini/eek

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Would it work, if once you get an upvote, you always have that upvote? Also, there are no downvotes, so the lowest score is 0.

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I don't know what I can add to this discussion other than chiming in and saying rating comments is a bad idea. And that's already been said.

I do remember lurking on these forums when people could upvote and downvote. It wasn't the best from what I recall.

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So I asked in another forum where ratings have been successful, what it is that makes a rating system works.

No sure about the member base numbers, but I think that a similar rating system would work here too. I don't know, maybe it's just my opinion. I think those who complain about not having reputation points, are those who are newer. It goes to say, the more you use the forum, the more people recognise you, the more votes your posts get.

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Sméagol wrote:

It didn't help that even long-time members of the site did things like making it a goal to get RP Hoogle the lowest (negative) score possible.

An excellent example of how easily the system is abused and not used correctly.

Didn't work then; Isn't going to work now. I like the forums just the way they are.

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CarrollFilms wrote:
Sméagol wrote:

It didn't help that even long-time members of the site did things like making it a goal to get RP Hoogle the lowest (negative) score possible.

An excellent example of how easily the system is abused and not used correctly.

Didn't work then; Isn't going to work now. I like the forums just the way they are.

Yes, but with only a +1 reputation system, then there wont be any negative scores, only positive. Also, users can only vote once for each post.

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